Sunday, May 11, 2008

The Obama and McCain Wars: The Black Vote by Akindele Akinyemi


The Barack Obama and John McCain Showdown is getting ready for battle. With Hillary Clinton out of the way this should be a battle for the ages.

The pressure is on for me to actually choose a candidate. I originally said I was not voting in the general election this year but with me running for Wayne State Board of Governors that has changed slightly.

Now we have some Black Republicans in Detroit changing their allegiance to Democrats because of Obama. As usual Blacks have no clue on the value system in our community. I have yet for someone to explain to me why I should go with Obama when I have thoroughly read his voting and position record.

If we pull up Obama's record on abortion you will see this:

We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)
Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)
GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)
Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)
Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)

Obama's record on the budget and economy:

Can't do anything at home with $12 billion a month on Iraq. (Feb 2008)
Protect consumers with Credit Card Bill of Rights. (Feb 2008)
More accountability in subprime mortgages. (Feb 2008)
Bush stimulus plan leaves out seniors & unemployed. (Jan 2008)
Voted against limiting credit to 30%, because 30% too high. (Jan 2008)
Account for every single dollar for new proposed programs. (Jan 2008)
Help the homeowners actually living in their homes. (Jan 2008)
Bankruptcy bill pushed by banks &. (Jan 2008)
Lack of an energy policy is a financial burden. (Jan 2008)
Bush & GOP dug budget hole; need years to dig out. (Dec 2007)
Save $150 billion in tax cuts for people who don't need them. (Dec 2007)
Take China "to the mat" about currency manipulation. (Dec 2007)
Rejects free market vision of government. (Oct 2007)

Obama's record on affirmative action:

Apply affirmative action to poor white college applicants. (Apr 2008)
Fight job discrimination to give women equal footing at jobs. (Feb 2008)
Remove discriminatory barriers to the right to vote. (Feb 2008)
Benefited from affirmative action but overcame via merit. (Dec 2007)
Include class-based affirmative action with race-based. (Oct 2007)
Better enforce women's pay equity via Equal Pay Act. (Aug 2007)
Blacks should infiltrate mainstream to affect change. (Aug 2007)
African-Americans vote Democratic because of issue stances. (Jul 2004)

Obama's record on Gay Rights:

Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
Decisions about marriage should be left to the states. (Oct 2007)
Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)
Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007)
Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)

Obama on Education:

Evolution & science aren't incompatible with Christian faith. (Apr 2008)
Children's First Agenda: zero to five early education. (Feb 2008)
$4,000 college tuition for 100 hours' public service a year. (Feb 2008)
Put billions of dollars into early childhood education. (Jan 2008)
Need after-school and summer programs with good parenting. (Jan 2008)
Get parents re-engaged in educating the children. (Dec 2007)
We need a sense of urgency about improving education system. (Sep 2007)
Nationwide program to reconstruct crumbling school buildings. (Sep 2007)
STEP UP: summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged. (Aug 2007)
We left the money behind for No Child Left Behind. (Aug 2007)

Obama on families and children:

Teach both abstinence and contraception to teens. (Apr 2008)
Expand flex-work & Family and Medical Leave Act. (Feb 2008)
Parents should control what's coming over the airwaves. (Jan 2008)
Restore dream of making children's lives better than parents. (Dec 2007)
All kids should learn about sexual abuse. (Jul 2007)
Sex Education for Kindergarten is OK. (Jul 2007)

Obama on Universal Health Care:

Universal health care means anyone who wants it can get it. (Feb 2008)
Insurers are happy to have a mandate; issue is affordability. (Feb 2008)
Voluntary universal participation, like in Medicare Part B. (Feb 2008)
Mandating kids' insurance ok; mandating adults has problems. (Feb 2008)
Young adults up to age 25 can be covered under parents' plan. (Feb 2008)
His plan does more than anybody to reduce costs. (Feb 2008)
His health plan does not leave 15 million people uncovered. (Feb 2008)
Adults will get health care as they can afford it. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: punishing uninsured families doesn't make sense. (Feb 2008)

I think you get how liberal this guy really is. Yes, the Republicans have not done a good job in defending their values either but my God do you really want someone like Obama in the White House?

He will be in the White House come January 20, 2009 because I do not see the Republican Party coming up with a national strategy to sway Black voters to vote for McCain. Nothing is on the local radar, state radar or national radar. The Senator from Arizona is already in the hole with his age (71 years old). 99% of Blacks will vote for Obama once he receives the nomination.

What are the Republicans going to do this time? Spend $2-$3 million dollars on radio ads like they did before? Or just ignore the Black community because they already assume that Obama has locked up the Black vote. This type of pathetic thinking and planning is always going to doom us. It did not help at all for Sean Hannity to consistently attack Rev. Jeremiah Wright and for Rush Limbaugh to tell Republican voters in Indiana to cross over the vote to defeat Obama. All you are doing is pissing off more Blacks who would be Republicans but would rather stick with the Democratic Party.

The Republican Party must design a serious plan to gain the attention of Blacks here in the urban communities. The ignoring the urban community in each state where there is a large Black population must cease. In Indianapolis the Republicans are doing a horrible job in attracting Blacks because of the lack of consideration of those who might be interested.

I cannot see McCain gaining 10% of the Black vote against Obama in the general election. That is a tough sell. He could get 15% of the Black vote if he was going up against Hillary Clinton.

But as for me I am not swaying either way for now. I am not the type of person who swings for the candidate because he is Republican. Remember, this is the same McCain who voted against a MLK holiday in Arizona (remember the Public Enemy song By The Time I Get To Arizona?). Now he claims he was wrong. What the hell did you vote against it in the first place when MLK was a Republican? Can we say race was involved in this original decision?

Maybe the National Republican Party is not interested in Black people after all. Remember the "Give us a chance and we will give you a choice" campaign by the RNC back in 2006? Blacks in our community did not take a chance on the Republicans and their choice was Democrats. Again, what will we do now in 2008?

Just like the Democrats take advantage of the Blacks the Republicans ignore the fact that values must come first not greed and money. Politics is just that..many tricks. My bigger concern is how Black Republicans wait for the RNC to send them money for their grassroots efforts. With Blacks generating over $800 billion a year in the U.S. economy we should fund our own efforts. I have no patience waiting for a organization that is out of touch with their own White constituency let alone Blacks and other minorities.

What I urge people to do is vote your values first. I am voting my values not just the party. I love how some of these old time Republicans like to use scare tactics against me when criticizing our party when knowing dog gone well you have no inroads in the Black community from a grassroots level. So, in other words get behind me Satan and follow the leader because you need true urban conservatives like myself who can reach out to people who are sitting on the fence in Detroit, Benton Harbor or Saginaw.

We can sit all day and talk about how the Democrats have done this and how they have turned our inner cities into socialist wastelands. I think we know that...even some of the Democrats who I have spoken with have concluded with our positions. However, we are NOT making the connection between being a true Republican who live and practice what we preach and how it can benefit the Black community. If we were making progress then Obama would not be popular among Black folks. We make excuses about how the "liberal" media suppresses our message. Have we forgotten about the power of blogging, podcasting and Internet and Satellite radio? What about all of those Black Republicans who are multi-millionaires who can help get the message of hope out? How many of them have bought ads for the Black Republican magazine that is published by the National Black Republican Association? Why did the Black Family Channel have to fold? How come we are NOT supporting our urban conservative radio shows on the air right now? Are you even listening to my podcast at www.michiganminorityreport.com?


My point is this...regardless of what you call yourself (Democrat, Independent or Republican) we are STILL our worst enemy in our community. It's almost like moving from liberal plantation to the conservative plantation to the independent plantation. All three plantations lack a true vision and focus on what we need to do for our community. Liberals believe in the most asinine values like abortion, same sex marriage, welfare, failing public schools, universal health care and bringing the troops home from Iraq. Conservatives, on the other hand, feel that Blacks should vote Republicans because they reject those values but use God and the Bible as a wedge issue and a dividing point when conservatives should be in the business of educating the blind man and woman. Independents are not really independents but do not want to be labeled. However, in Detroit, a Black independent is really a Democrat because I have never seen a Black independent at a Republican function...ever. They never come out because race is blocking their hearts and I have heard some of these Black "independents" discuss how going to a Republican meeting is like going to a Ku Klux Klan meeting without the white sheets over their heads or a skinhead meeting. If they see Blacks in the Republican Party we are either rich, Uncle Toms or sellouts.

There is no way in the world that liberal theology, liberal education and liberal politics should be dominating our urban landscape. I do not blame this on White liberals, independents or conservatives I put the blame on educated and uneducated Blacks who know better but refuse to do better. We are our own worst enemy.

Remember Keith Butler and Mike Bouchard in that U.S. Senate race in 2006 where we had people inside the Republican Party working against Butler? Yet, they wanted inclusion in the party? Come to find out that Butler's own Black congregation sabotaged his election in the primary by voting against him (they mostly voted Democratic) because the congregation did not want to see him leave as Bishop of Word of Faith.

I want to see Obama and McCain go head up in a general election so I can see the strategy of the Republican Party as it relates to the Black vote. This should be really good.

23 comments:

JGillman said...

Akindele, I will support your candidacy.

However, the message republicans need to get out is that if it were the RIGHT black guy it would be a different story. Give me a Condoleeza, a Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Alan Keyes.

Obama is a WARMED OVER Hillary wanna be who speaks nice. It is sad that some blacks who consider themselves "conservative" would even consider voting for such a radical socialist.

As for the Wright persecution, Obama used his connections with Wright (a magnet for the Black "who-is-who" in Chicago) to obtain his seat of power. Wright is, in my opinion, a primary source of civil discontent between whites, blacks and all else in this country today. His brand of "preaching" at the very least offends white America, and more appropriately scares them into distrust of those who would be exposed over a long period of time to him as had Obama. Wright DOES Matter.

Sadly, the loss Obama will suffer will be seen as a blow from whitey on the poor disadvantaged black population. Conservatives who would never want race to be an issue, will suffer the wrath of the press which will actually know the truth, just for the sheer story of it. Wright WILL be used, as he is relevant to the character of the man who would be our president.

Anonymous said...

Coopted ExProgressive Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was not a Republican -
JGillman Reverend Dr Wright is not the primary source of discontent - the conditions in this White European-American male dominated society are the cause of discontent for oppressed People of Color & Women
FreeMan

Akindele F. Akinyemi said...

Oh ignorant one: Who do you know in the KING family like me? I know this for a fact he was republican.

Dr. Wright is an embarassment for Black America. I am so tired of hearing Black and White. We are one race..the human race.

Anonymous said...

Coopted ExProgressive Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr. wanted the US federal government to create programs to help rid the US of poverty - this is a Anti-Republican doctrine FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Freeman,

Perhaps my point is missed.

I could place into EVERY position of power a black man so long as he had the strength of character necessary for the job. I don't care whether they are black or white or yellow or pinstriped. I only care that they support human dignity by not enabling the distrust, and poverty building schemes used by those in the left/liberal side to retain power.

Conservatives believe ALL MEN are indeed capable of accomplishing that which is necessary for a strong community. Liberals believe blacks and other minorities need a crutch, or at the very least an excuse.

God has blessed us with the ability to make the best of our environment. What are YOU doing to enhance yours? Are you sitting back, thinking that a minister, who while blaming all your problems on others, is solving those same problems?

Join US. Become a problem solver. If you are suggesting that being black is an excuse for not succeeding, then you don't give those people enough credit.

lrey said...

Mr. Akinyemi I always admire that you consult principle first in your decision process. Let me float something by you. The argument is often made that the Republican Party has historically been more progressive in matters of race relations. At the same time we find the Democratic Party has been more influential - from Reconstruction right through Jim Crow- they have essentially shaped the racial landscape of this country. Do you think it would be advantageous to have a black man as the titular head of that party, assuming Republicans continue to hold their traditional progressive views? Especially since we've not had particularly conservative government from the Republicans mightn't a change in the racial psychology of the Democrats be a greater benefit than the dubious conservatism of Bush/McCain at this point in history? And mightn't the election of a black Democrat facilitate the possibility that a person such as Williams, or Steele, mentioned in one of the other comments, could make a serious run for the presidency in the future. I'm just speculation. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

Akindele Akinyemi is a CLOSETED GAY MAN. I suggest Akindele stop spreading his anti-gay hatred before he is exposed for who he really is. Gay people are fine human beings; nothing wrong with them.

Anonymous said...

JGillman - Why would a Black Afrikan work with the Republicans a sworn enemy of Black Afrikan people? Why would an oppressed person work with the oppressor? Why would I seek to conserve the $ & power of the status quo - when I believe that a fundamental change is needed to help create a people based society
I assume that you are not an oppressed person - the 1st step for colonial people to rid themselves of oppression is to identify the oppression & the oppressor - Reverend Dr. Wright has done that primary important step-
Finally Black Afrikans have created the 1st great civilization in human history & we create great things today despite our oppression - When you are ready to fight White European-American racism against People of Color contact me -
FreeMan

Akindele F. Akinyemi said...

Freeman never discuss how Blacks are killing Blacks JGillman because he believes Whites are behind this.

"Are you oppressed?" What the hell? Black people oppress each other.

Republicans are the sworn enemy of Blacks....only the uneducated would say this. I can go on forever telling you how every single urban area in SE MICHIGAN that is controlled by democrats where there is a large number of blacks living and going to school look like a wasteland. Period.

Anonymous said...

Coopted ExProgressive Black Afrikan majority areas are controlled by Black Afrikan Democrats that enact racist colonial policies against Black Afrikans - Black Afrikans kill each other because they have been taught to hate themselves by this racist White European-American society & they understand that if they kill Black Afrikans they will not punished as severely if they kill White European-Americans
FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Freeman,

Insanity is often described as performing the same failing tasks repeatedly without changing to facilitate potential gain. You will unlikely be resistive to the change which might actually HELP those you profess to support. Perhaps you are a lost cause.

Otherwise...

Irey's comment actually has a reasonable point. Bush's conservatism has not been entirely consistent. (for different reasons I think) And though I ABHOR the socialist bent afforded by the left/liberal Obama's policy objectives, his election would (should) render the useless patrons of racial divisiveness such as Wright, Jackson, and Sharpton, et al.. Unecessary.

The PROBLEM however, is they would not go away. Rather than suggest we are all seeking essentially the same place in life, those persons rely on the racial divide to provide bread for their own tables.

What is a "BLACK CHURCH," or a "BLACK CAUCUS," or a "BLACK COLLEGE," or a "NIGHT AT THE APOLLO?" Do these groupings help anyone better understand each other? Is there a reasonable benefit to still hold this segregation type of activity still? Is there a measurable benefit?

And ONE LAST THING to FREEMAN.

Yes. I AM OPPRESSED. I am oppressed by those who would put a gun to my head and demand that my hard work pay for the destruction and killing of black and white babies alike. Yes, I am oppressed by those who would put me in prison if I do not pay for the upkeep of destructive lifestyles which WRECK poor families, and create unwanted babies who are then all the more easily discarded like yesterday's trash. Yes, I experience that. But I don't allow it to make excuses for my behavior.

I doubt you could know of my oppressed experience. I suspect there is nothing that would help that however.

Anonymous said...

JGillman - Yes there is nothing wrong with voluntary segregation - People that involve themselves in voluntary segregated groups cite many benefits from such organizations -
FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Freeman,

So you would support the racist activities and exclusionary practices practiced by whites who wish to close their clubs and organizations to people of color?

Just curious.

Assuming you say yes, then I must submit that I respect your integrity, and though I don't agree with the premise we need to be exclusionary in any venue, I do however understand your reasoning.

I have noted Farrakhan has been relatively consistent in that area (electing to promote segregation activities) to keep the queens away from the "white devils." Is that where you fall?

Akindele F. Akinyemi said...

"Black Afrikans kill each other because they have been taught to hate themselves by this racist White European-American society & they understand that if they kill Black Afrikans they will not punished as severely if they kill White European-Americans"

NO ONE is making us kill each other. Period. We KILL each other out of pure emotion, economics (drug selling, etc) or survivial. It has nothing to do with White folks!!!!! Liar.

Anonymous said...

JGillman - are you Jewish? Jewish people are known to quickly criticize Minister Farrakhan - the ? is why did Minister Farrakhan make that statement ? The answer is that White European-American slavers raped Black Afrikan women & girls yet treated them as subhumans -
Any group has the right to engage in voluntary segregation
I believe that desegregation has lead to the destruction of Black Afrikan businesses in the US because Black Afrikans have been trained to think that White European-American businesses are better because they are White European-American to support White European-American supremacy
FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Wow.

Am I Jewish?!?

What kind of question is that? Though I wouldn't find it a problem, I don't understand what relevance it has. Should I be of a particular race or heritage to be able to smell BAD VEGETABLES when they are under my nose? Give me a break.

Anyhow... on your Supremacy conspiracy consideration..

You REALLY don't give black folks any credit do you? You obviously have NO FAITH in the ability of African-Americans to raise themselves up. Why do you hate blacks so? Your words are consistently contradictory to your stated wishes.

I truly wish you well, and hope you can sort the complex nature of your social schizophrenia out long enough to become a REAL solution to the ills you see.

In case anyone doubts my motives, I would like to be clear that if even for my OWN self interest, it is necessary that ALL of US citizens are fruitful, and in some way participatory.

Bottom line: We have a choice. We can be destructive in our social and economic choices,and then rely on those who know us not, or.. We can encourage upstanding behavior in our youth, promoting good work and social ethics which keep families strong, and prosperous.

Anonymous said...

JGillman - Out of respect of Black Afrikan people or people of Afrikan descent you should capitalize "B" when using Black to refer to Black people - since 1916 the NAACP has requested US society to respect Black Afrikans or people of Afrikan descent by capitalizing words that refer to them
FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Umm ok.

In fact, why don't we do this:

Let us start addressing them as "Americans." <--NOTE I USED A CAPITAL "A"

By the way, read this:
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams042308.php3

You might find it of interest.

Anonymous said...

JGillman - Detroit, MI 1963 El Hajj Malik El Shabazz or Malcolm X "Message to the Grassroots" "
'and you sure don't catch hell because you're an American; because if you were an American, you wouldn't catch hell. You catch hell because you're a Black man. You catch hell, all of us catch hell, for the same reason.
So we're all Black people, ... second-class citizens, ex-slaves.'
FreeMan

Jgillman said...

Freeman, why do YOU insist its true?

I don't think that Blacks are second class. Why would anyone think that way? (note: I have and will use the capital B. There is no harm in capitulating to your request)

I believe you may have lived a few years longer than me, and cannot overcome that which you have experienced as oppression. Your words carry a pain I may not fully understand. That is a tragedy. I hope you have the patience to stop, and look around you, to see WHO is oppressing you now.. 45 years later..

There is nothing that stops any person more in achieving his/her dreams than someone who constantly nags them, saying that they will amount to nothing. Nothing so debilitating than a leader who would run lemmings off the cliffs if there were some.

From MY PERSPECTIVE, I see the Wrights, Jacksons, and Farakhans of the world as those who would lead good people into believing their ambitions would never take root, not because they are unrealistic ambitions, but because whitey wouldn't allow it. All they are doing is making excuses, which some will use to NOT TRY.

Look, not everyone will be on top. Not everyone will have "it all." But if Blacks are reminded constantly of how "unable" they are in achieving completely reasonable goals much less the spectacular ones, then they have little chance of achieving successes that I (white guy in non urban area) KNOW they are capable of.

So again.. WHO is the oppressor?

Anonymous said...

Jgillman - Thank you for your commitment to respect Black Afrikan people for capitalizing "B" when referring to Black people
I must be clear Min. Farrakhan, Dr. Rev. Wright & Rev. Jackson do not oppress Black Afrikan people - they identify current racist policies that afffect Black Afrikans -
The system & people in the system that enact - continue - expand & hide racist policies against Black Afrikans are the oppressors of Black Afrikans
Recently in MI the decision to close Secretary of State office in Saginaw by the MI Secretary of State was proven to have a racist affect on Black Afrikans in voting & complying with the Voter ID law 2008
So racism against Black Afrikans continues today in 2008
However Black Afrikans can be "successful" in the US without betraying their race by supporting policies that are detrimental to the majority Black Afrikan population - but Black Afrikans must be overqualified or excellent because being qualified or average is not enough to overcome the racism against Black Afrikans that currently exists in the US
FreeMan

Omar Padilla said...

Universal healthcare was first
pushed by Teddy Roosevelt who
was a Republican. America is the only
developed industrial nation without
universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare does not equal
socialism. That idea is pushed so often it makes me sick.
Also, although social security was
started by a democrat it was expanded to its more current status by eisenhower (a republican)
Now your views on abortion and gay marriage are certainly relevant
but arguable to many. I think partial abortions are wrong always.
but efforts to make abortion illegal and taboo have proven to do nothing for lowering rates.
America still has a very very high
rate compared to other countries,
just look it up. Education and access to contraception is always
more effective. If you believe otherwise, well you just haven't seen the facts.
Gays.....I've met enough to know
that they did not choose to be gay, most are just born gay....we all have our moral battles and all I can do is thank god that I don't have to deal with that one. I am married to a wonderful woman and because we are a man and woman we compliment each other naturally.
Who wouldn't want that? Its hard enough finding someone to love being heterosexual. Could you maintain celibacy if you were attracted to men and not women? If you think gays are evil and don't want to be happy well...maybe you need a little more love and compassion in your heart

concerning the war.....
too much to go into here

check out "Bush's War"
from FRONTLINE on PBS its free here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

thanks for reading
I don't mean to offend or bicker
I enjoyed your thoughts
feel free to email me

Omar
grnidemonster@hotmail.com

Omar Padilla said...

Universal healthcare was first
pushed by Teddy Roosevelt who
was a Republican. America is the only
developed industrial nation without
universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare does not equal
socialism. That idea is pushed so often it makes me sick.
Also, although social security was
started by a democrat it was expanded to its more current status by eisenhower (a republican)
Now your views on abortion and gay marriage are certainly relevant
but arguable to many. I think partial abortions are wrong always.
but efforts to make abortion illegal and taboo have proven to do nothing for lowering rates.
America still has a very very high
rate compared to other countries,
just look it up. Education and access to contraception is always
more effective. If you believe otherwise, well you just haven't seen the facts.
Gays.....I've met enough to know
that they did not choose to be gay, most are just born gay....we all have our moral battles and all I can do is thank god that I don't have to deal with that one. I am married to a wonderful woman and because we are a man and woman we compliment each other naturally.
Who wouldn't want that? Its hard enough finding someone to love being heterosexual. Could you maintain celibacy if you were attracted to men and not women? If you think gays are evil and don't want to be happy well...maybe you need a little more love and compassion in your heart

concerning the war.....
too much to go into here

check out "Bush's War"
from FRONTLINE on PBS its free here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

thanks for reading
I don't mean to offend or bicker
I enjoyed your thoughts
feel free to email me

Omar
grnidemonster@hotmail.com